Trump mocked after arguing with Jonathan Swan over coronavirus

US President Donald Trump is facing a fierce backlash after saying the countryâs COVID-19 death toll âis what it isâ in a viral interview with Australian journalist Jonathan Swan.
When pressed by Swan, the son of the ABCâs Dr Norman Swan, on death toll numbers, Mr Trump strongly argued against measuring coronavirus deaths as a percentage of the population.
âThe United States is lowest in numerous categories, weâre lower than the world, weâre lower than Europe,â Mr Trump said in the interview on Axios, broadcast on HBO.
He described the pandemic as âunder controlâ. That prompted Swan to question how could that be, given the US was reporting more than 1000 deaths per day.
âThey are dying. Thatâs true. And you ⌠it is what it is,â Mr Trump said.
âBut that doesnât mean we arenât doing everything we can. Itâs under control as much as you can control it.â
Video of the exchange has gone viral on social media, prompting further scrutiny and analysis of Mr Trumpâs coronavirus response.
He is said to have made at least 19 false claims during the interview which some pundits have called âthe most embarrassing interview of Trumpâs entire termâ.
The HBO's interview between President Trump and Jonathan Swan is meme material pic.twitter.com/HEfGA45KTX
â Xema Fominaya (@WofWendetta) August 4, 2020
The exchange speaks to Mr Trumpâs ongoing efforts to downplay the severity of the pandemic in the US, even as his own health experts are increasingly warning of a dire contagion.
Mr Trump contended in the interview that the US actually had the âlowestâ numbers in the world in several categories, even as it has registered about 150,000 deaths, more than any other nation by far.
Swan repeatedly tried to bring the conversation back to âdeath as a proportion of populationâ, which he said showed the US faced serious problems.
âYou canât do that,â Mr Trump pushed back, pulling out sheets of coloured bar graphs.
The President preferred to focus on deaths relative to caseloads, which helps sidestep the issue that the US has a massive number of infections.
âYou are not reporting it correctly,â Mr Trump insisted, as he pushed his theory that the US conducts many tests, thereby leading to a larger caseload. His own experts have also contradicted him on this.
Raw death figures in the US dropped earlier in the summer, but they have since shot back up. In recent weeks there was a sustained period where each day brought more than 1000 new coronavirus fatalities.
As of Wednesday morning (Australian time), the virus death toll in the US was more than 156,000.
-with AAP
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