Stuart Robert admits to making false statements to support robodebt scheme


Ex-minister Stuart Robert explained why he publicly defended robodebt when he personally opposed it. Photo: AAP
Stuart Robert a former minister in the Morrison government, has admitted making false statements to support of the controversial robodebt scheme.
Giving evidence to the royal commission into the Coalitionâs illegal welfare crackdown on Thursday, Mr Robert said he wasnât permitted to tell the truth about the unlawfulness of robodebt a week after urging then-prime minister Scott Morrison to shut the program down.
âI had a massive personal misgiving, yes. But Iâm still a cabinet minister,â the former services minister told the commission of his personal position while presiding over the automated debt-recovery program in 2019.
He said he provided information about the programâs viability during media interviews despite believing âit couldnât possibly workâ.
Angus Scott, counsel assisting the commission, asked Mr Robert: âSo what you said there to your knowledge at the time was false.â?
To which Mr Robert replied: âMy personal view, yes.â
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Hundreds of thousands of Australians were sent debt notices under the robodebt scheme that unlawfully recovered more than $750 million using a method of income averaging.
Mr Robert said his department did not provide advice from the Australian government solicitor highlighting problems with the way debts were raised when he became minister in May 2019.
The first he heard of it was in a meeting with his department in July that year.
Mr Robert said after the meeting he âheld a strong personal viewâ that the sole use of averaged income data from the tax office was insufficient to raise a debt.
Yet in media appearances following that meeting, Mr Robert continued to defend the scheme because it was still the governmentâs policy.
âIf Iâve got a personal opinion, my next step is to seek the appropriate advice,â he said.
âUntil such time as that arrives, I remain a cabinet minister, and Iâm responsible for holding the cabinet line.â
Commissioner Catherine Holmes asked if that included misrepresenting policies to the Australian public.
Mr Robert said he âwouldnât put it that wayâ because his personal opinion could be wrong until proven otherwise by the solicitor-general.
âIâve got to leave room for the fact that I may well be wrong ⌠I canât just give my personal opinion, I have got to continue to uphold the government policy,â he said.
Former human services department secretary Renee Leon told the commission Mr Robert dismissed legal advice from the solicitor-general in 2019 that the scheme was unlawful.
When she presented the solicitor-generalâs findings, Professor Leon recalled Mr Robert telling her: âWell, secretary, legal advice is just advice.â
But Mr Robert rejected this claim and said he presented the solicitor-general advice to the prime minister âwithin hoursâ.
Professor Leon told the commission she was forced to end the use of averaging to calculate debts because the government delayed making a decision to do so.
But Mr Robert said it was his department who had âsat onâ the legal advice.
âI asked for the advice on the 4th of July, I wanted it, the department took months and months to get it to me and when they had it, they ostensibly sat on it for six weeks to work through what to do,â he said.
â with AAP
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